Fantastic analysis. The insertion of Pluckrose, Lindsay and Boyce into the conversation has been bothering me for a long time. I think of them as the stupid person's intellectual.
They never miss a chance to blame feminists or discredit our work. At the same time if you even scratch the surface it's clear they know nothing about feminism, why it exists or the history of the movement.
I don't know abut you, but if I'm going to publicly take a stand on something I'm going to make sure I'm educated on the topic before I sound off. The reason I think they don't is due in part to misogyny. They feel it's beneath them to actually do the work and learn. Their contempt for women extends even to that.
The fanatics have destroyed the word nuance in order to use it as a weapon. Don't like the rules or the reality of life? Just throw the word nuance in and presto! Instead of nuance one can use "natal" to achieve the same result. I'm a hardliner on language and refuse to let everything become one big mush. For me, women's rights movements are about equal protection and equal opportunity under the law, and the right of both men and women to have separate sports and private spaces. Both Pluckrose and Lindsay openly displayed their misogyny and with the name calling, displayed a nasty emotionality irt to women. Glad I found your substack!
Thank you for this. I am only familiar with Helen Pluckrose from reading her work in the book "Cynical Theories" a couple of years ago when I first began to get up to speed on the gender-insanity. I must say that what you shared about Helen's comments about the status of women really surprised and disappointed. Thanks for rounding out the picture for me Edie. I came to your blog through Kara Dansky reprinting this article.
The "trans" lie is the ultimate manifestation of "woke" (ask these idiots to define that). Telling a mentally ill man that he's actually a woman and letting him into women's jails, sports, spaces? These degenerates are not marginalized. Anyone who defends them is moronic because "trans" does not exist.
If women can't even stand in public and tell men to stay the f*ck out of our spaces because we exist outside of their stupid delusions and imaginations, then that is the ultimate oppression because we can't even say we exist.
I don't mind saying being a TERF is radical (I love the term) because male stupidity and violence is so radical that to oppose it is, by definition, to be radical as well. The level of insanity from males has become so extreme that they literally cannot believe lowly females are telling them NO and drawing boundaries. Their lack of shame and self-awareness makes us necessary.
Crying about fEmInIsMs while men enter women's swimming competitions and act like happy pigs when they win. This is pathetic. This is why we'll never give up.
I’m sure you’re right. But the problem with feminism is still the one identified in Lysistrata and it can’t be overcome.
All political movements have to be prepared to defend their position with violence if necessary, but a movement of women will always be, by definition, impotent.
We can’t defend the women being stoned or tortured in barbaric societies because words don’t work against violence. The patriarchy can only be fought after men as a class have agreed not to use violence against us, which is a situation most women of the world don’t share. If women are truly a class then why are we only motivated by self-interest rather than being prepared to fight and die for women and girls in horrifying situations.
Women in the west should be able to use our education and advantages to stop millions of ten year old girls being ‘married’ to men, but the fact is, only men can change certain things. It’s a feature, not a bug. And we should try to work in a way that brings out the best in both our nature’s rather than demanding they be something other than men but definitely not women.
Anyway, I’m not sure I agree anymore. Feminism may be a force for good, but it’s not enough to effect real change on its own.
Very well argued, Edie. I couldn’t agree more with your analysis. Thank you.
Fantastic analysis. The insertion of Pluckrose, Lindsay and Boyce into the conversation has been bothering me for a long time. I think of them as the stupid person's intellectual.
They never miss a chance to blame feminists or discredit our work. At the same time if you even scratch the surface it's clear they know nothing about feminism, why it exists or the history of the movement.
I don't know abut you, but if I'm going to publicly take a stand on something I'm going to make sure I'm educated on the topic before I sound off. The reason I think they don't is due in part to misogyny. They feel it's beneath them to actually do the work and learn. Their contempt for women extends even to that.
The fanatics have destroyed the word nuance in order to use it as a weapon. Don't like the rules or the reality of life? Just throw the word nuance in and presto! Instead of nuance one can use "natal" to achieve the same result. I'm a hardliner on language and refuse to let everything become one big mush. For me, women's rights movements are about equal protection and equal opportunity under the law, and the right of both men and women to have separate sports and private spaces. Both Pluckrose and Lindsay openly displayed their misogyny and with the name calling, displayed a nasty emotionality irt to women. Glad I found your substack!
Thank you.
Thank you for this. I am only familiar with Helen Pluckrose from reading her work in the book "Cynical Theories" a couple of years ago when I first began to get up to speed on the gender-insanity. I must say that what you shared about Helen's comments about the status of women really surprised and disappointed. Thanks for rounding out the picture for me Edie. I came to your blog through Kara Dansky reprinting this article.
The "trans" lie is the ultimate manifestation of "woke" (ask these idiots to define that). Telling a mentally ill man that he's actually a woman and letting him into women's jails, sports, spaces? These degenerates are not marginalized. Anyone who defends them is moronic because "trans" does not exist.
If women can't even stand in public and tell men to stay the f*ck out of our spaces because we exist outside of their stupid delusions and imaginations, then that is the ultimate oppression because we can't even say we exist.
I don't mind saying being a TERF is radical (I love the term) because male stupidity and violence is so radical that to oppose it is, by definition, to be radical as well. The level of insanity from males has become so extreme that they literally cannot believe lowly females are telling them NO and drawing boundaries. Their lack of shame and self-awareness makes us necessary.
Crying about fEmInIsMs while men enter women's swimming competitions and act like happy pigs when they win. This is pathetic. This is why we'll never give up.
Superbly crafted prose.
thank you for your strong clear words.
I’m sure you’re right. But the problem with feminism is still the one identified in Lysistrata and it can’t be overcome.
All political movements have to be prepared to defend their position with violence if necessary, but a movement of women will always be, by definition, impotent.
We can’t defend the women being stoned or tortured in barbaric societies because words don’t work against violence. The patriarchy can only be fought after men as a class have agreed not to use violence against us, which is a situation most women of the world don’t share. If women are truly a class then why are we only motivated by self-interest rather than being prepared to fight and die for women and girls in horrifying situations.
Women in the west should be able to use our education and advantages to stop millions of ten year old girls being ‘married’ to men, but the fact is, only men can change certain things. It’s a feature, not a bug. And we should try to work in a way that brings out the best in both our nature’s rather than demanding they be something other than men but definitely not women.
Anyway, I’m not sure I agree anymore. Feminism may be a force for good, but it’s not enough to effect real change on its own.